Today, we try to figure out why Madonna wasn’t included in the collection of singers for “We Are the World.”
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Reader Deanna C. wanted to know why, among all of the famous 1985 singers in the production of “We Are the World,” Madonna wasn’t included.
Madonna has never spoken on the record about the snub, so a lot of this is going to have to be supposition, mixed with a quote from one of her closest collaborators of the time.
There’s a rumor that goes:
Madonna was invited to participate on the “We Are The World” record by Michael Jackson (who wrote the song) but she was doing her 41 dates north American “Virgin Tour” at the time and had concerts scheduled for the recording dates. She certainly wanted to be there as she always loved Michael Jackson (and they already shared the same manager at the time).
Since it was Madonna’s first tour and she just had her first US #01 song (“Like a Virgin”) it was decided to stick to the plan and not cancel 3 or 4 concert dates in order to travel and record the song. Her manager was Freddy DeMann, the former Michael Jackson manager (managed Michael Jackson from 1978 to 1983 during his “Off the Wall” and “Thriller” releases and kept managing him until the ‘88 or ‘89) – he managed Madonna career from 1983 to 1997 but she not always did what he told her to (her “Like a Virgin” performance at MTV Awards was nothing as he wanted and he even said that her career was over forever after that).
That makes no sense. “We Are the World” was recorded in an all-night recording session following the 1985 American Music Awards, under the theory that a lot of the people who would be performing in the song were there already as performers or presenters (like Lionel Richie, Cyndi Lauper, The Pointer Sisters, Huey Lewis, Hall and Oates, Kenny Loggins, Tina Turner, Diana Ross, Kenny Rogers, Al Jarreau, James Ingram, Quincy Jones and Stevie Wonder), and Madonna was a presenter at the award ceremony. So obviously, Madonna could have easily recorded the song and continued her concert tour.
No, the simple fact of the matter is that Madonna wasn’t invited because she wasn’t wanted. Nile Rodgers, who worked closely with Madonna on as the producer of Like a Virgin, revealed in an interview in 2020, “Madonna wasn’t invited to sing on the recording and it was a slap in the face because everybody was in Los Angeles for the American Music Awards and it was really sort of not nice. I know she felt bad.”
So, yeah, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson and Ken Kragen (the main organizer of the group, USA for Africa) simply didn’t want Madonna. There were some performers who actually asked to be included and were turned down, such as John Denver, but in the case of Madonna, she was never asked to be included and she never asked anyone else to BE included.
So that’s really the answer – they just didn’t think she made the cut. But hey, lots of other major artists weren’t asked. The freakin’ BEACH BOYS were at the American Music Awards, as well, and they weren’t asked, and I think we can easily say that as of January 1985, the Beach Boys had had a bigger impact on American pop culture than Madonna.
However, I’d like to note that, timing-wise, it really WAS a weird period for Madonna. Her first album, Madonna, was obviously a hit, but it wasn’t one of those hits where it was SUCH a big hit that she was a no-doubt-about-it pick to be included in a collection of artists like this. Like a Virgin changed things, making her a superstar, but it’s fair to note that the singles “Like a Virgin” was released in early November 1984, with “Material Girl” released at the end of November 1984. “Like a Virgin” WAS the number one song in the country for a month at the time of the recording of “We Are the World” in January 1985, so she clearly would have been a reasonable choice to be included, but it was not yet obvious that she was going to have the same staying power as the other artists. The closest comparison to Madonna of the group was Cyndi Lauper, who had had a pair of huge hits in 1983 (“Girls Just Want to Have Fun”) and 1984 (“Time After Time”), and had actually just defeated Madonna at the American Music Awards for Favorite Pop/Rock Female Artist.
But yes, it WAS a definite snub for them to not include Madonna, but not nearly as much of a snub as had they turned her down even a few months later, as 1985 was an even bigger year for Madonna than 1984. Hilariously, she WAS asked to perform at Live Aid in July 1985, and she agreed…
But she pointedly refused to join in for the singing of “We Are the World” at the end. Good for her, really (by the way, in the near future, I’ll get into Prince’s absence from the song. He WAS asked to do it).
EDITED TO ADD on 2/2/24: In the new documentary, The Greatest Night In Pop, one of Ken Kragen’s associates specifically mentioned that it was Kragen who nixed Madonna, choosing Cyndi Lauper over her (the associate says she wanted Madonna over Lauper). Thanks to reader Ty for noting that I should update with that information!
Thanks for the question, Deanna! If anyone else has a question, drop me a line at brian@popculturereferences.com.
and take not, Madonna’s Crazy For you kicked We Are the World in the #1 position in the US charts…..it’s Madonna against the institution
Foi muito ruim o que fizeram, mas Madonna dei-lhe uma bica em We are the world nas paradas. Aliás essa música é bem chatinha…
Why wasnt Pat Benetar included on We are the World?
Didn’t they do like a kind of heavy metal version of this? It was a completely different song but I have memories of the hair bands doing something similar and all the guitar players trying to outdo eachother with their flashy stunt guitar solos.
I would bet whatever the metal bands were up to recording that song has way more interesting stories than the artists that recorded We are the World. Just the stories from one of these bands are crazy, couldn’t imagine what we t down when they were all together in the studio trying to out party each other.
A recent Netflix documentary revealed that they were considering Cindi Lauper or Madonna. But chose to use C Lauper. So Madonna was considered.
Harriet Sternberg, head of creative services at Kragen & Co., felt strongly about bringing Madonna into the fold — but Ken Kragen had another idea.
“I wanted Madonna. ‘Material Girl’ and all of the things she did would bring a really different audience, but Ken wanted Cyndi [Lauper],” she says in the doc. “We had a fight about that.”
They eventually did go with Lauper, but nearly lost her the night of recording, with Richie saying that she approached him backstage at the American Music Awards to say her boyfriend had heard the song and didn’t think it would be a hit, so she was out.
“Well, nobody knew. It certainly was a group of great people. But I was so punch-drunk tired. And after the show it was like, ‘Alright, you have to just go there,’” Lauper says in the doc. “[But] I felt it was an important thing to do. I do believe that rock and roll can save the world, or we should try.”
Thanks, Ty, I agree, I’ll update the piece accordingly!
I heard she WAS supposed to sing, “We Are the World,” but she showed up 3 and 1/2 hours late and they didn’t let her in!
We are talking about the same Madonna who snubbed Tom Kelly (the man who cowrote “Like a Virgin”) when she met him at a party? That Madonna? Yeah, screw her.
I don’t particularly care about Madonna’s feelings, either, it’s just a question of whether, if you’re including the biggest music stars of January 1985, you include Madonna or not, and I think the answer is a pretty clear “yes,” and yet they didn’t.
why couldn’t they have invited both Cyndi Lauper and Madonna? They could’ve done without the likes of Latoya Jackson
Agreed, it’s silly to not just invite them both. As for LaToya, well, I mean, her brother was a key part of the production, so I think his siblings being there made sense.
This isn’t true because she was at the American Music Awards the night the song was recorded!
What isn’t true?
I say in the above piece:
To answer Super Nova’s question: Yes, there was a metal collaboration called Hear n’ Aid. The main song, written by Ronnie James Dio, was called “We’re Stars”
Does anyone know if Rick Springfield was asked to be in We Are The World? Or was he asked and decline? I am a fan, I have been since the early 80s. I have just always been curious as to why he wasn’t included. Ironically, he is in the Netflix special, The Greatest Night in Pop. Just 2 really quick shots of him at the AMA before the filming of We Are The World. So, that just has me curious. I haven’t found anything on the Internet as to why he wasn’t involved.
Rick is Australian, not American
Seems it was a little more than choosing Cyndi Lauper over Madonna even if there wasn’t room for 2 female solo lines… which there probably was but maybe not. My guess is what’s unsaid that Ken didn’t like Madonna because she’s often “not nice”, herself. I think he didn’t want to work with her. Michael Jackson has said as much too about Madonna being unkind, but not sure if that was before the inception of We are the World or years after. I get it. They knew Prince was a diva too and still wanted him so there’s that…but I guess I would have pushed for Prince too regardless and risked him not showing up.
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